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It is if you value human life no matter what stage it is in. To those that could care less, then it is a moot point.

And yes, voting by the party line is ignorance on parade also.

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Ooh nice strawman! So if you are for abortion you have no value in human life at all!

Not like if people are against abortion are against the death penalty....

I find it ironic how those who supposedly value life by opposing abortion at ANY stage of development don't seem to have a problem with all the innocent lives that have been taken by "collateral damage" due to this War On Terror. But anyway...

Blacks voting for someone just because he's black is no different than white anglo-saxon conservatives voting Republican just because their candidate is a white guy who goes hunting on Saturdays and goes to church on Sundays. I'm not saying that justifies the ignorance on both sides, I'm just saying that it goes both ways.

Are you saying that children are worth less than adults?


Death penalties are generally handed down as a result of some heinous crime. Which crime are these unborn children guilty of that affords them,in effect, the death penalty? Their parents irresponsibility? The heinous act of a man on a woman? That they are an inconvenience to a woman that just wants to sleep around and have a good time?

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That's for the woman to decide what she does with her life, not yours nor anyone else ....

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Ultimately, yes, it is up to the woman to decide whether to kill her child or not. To some women, and indeed, to science period, they are simply killing a parasitic body. That body does, however, have its own DNA and only shares half with the mother, so it is not as if it is wholly theirs. And yes, she IS deciding what to do with HER life, as selfish as it is to kill something that is a result of her own action.

"Killing is killing whether done for duty, profit or fun" and any form of it falls under that. If they can live with doing that, then they show that they care little for the value of life and what a gift it is to us. I had a personal friend that had nightmares for months after having an abortion and she swore to never do that again. The bottom line is, don't have sex if you are not prepared for the fruit of that action.

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The thing is that it is being discussed as a lifestyle issue. But there is prolly more usage of it as a last resort then lifestyle.

Either way it isnt a pretty picture....

And in an ideal world where people do think of the result before acting the no sex would be no problem ..

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Anal sex won't result in children.

Neither does oral sex.

Did I say anything like that? Stop trying to put words into my mouth. All I said was it wasn't an important election issue compared to the say the economy.


Death penalties are generally handed down as a result of some heinous crime. Which crime are these unborn children guilty of that affords them,in effect, the death penalty? Their parents irresponsibility? The heinous act of a man on a woman? That they are an inconvenience to a woman that just wants to sleep around and have a good time?[/quote]

Well what happens if a women is raped and gets pregnant? What happens if having the baby will put the mothers life in risk?

I don't know how people against abortion, aka "pro-life", can be for the death penalty as they seem contradictions to me. Like, what happens if you get the wrong person and put them to death? This has happened!

There some in the political arena who arent even worthy of my time that they have such contradiction just tells you that they have adjusted to what the "people" want to hear rather then being logical about it.

More votes for them sadly ...

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Is killing the baby because it is a reminder of a traumatic event in the woman's life the right thing to do? Would you allow a two year old to be killed if he was a reminder to his mother of a rape? Why are the unborn any different?


Do you think that murder is the answer to that as well?

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First I'd say calling rape "traumatic" is somewhat underestimating the long term effects of it. The unborn is different as depending on your point of view, it is not alive yet and is just a blob of cells. When does it become alive? Are you against the morning after pill? Or how about condoms as they stop the egg having a chance of life?



If there is a good chance of the keeping the baby killing mother and child what would you do?

Personally, I am against any form of birth control that destroys the fertilized egg. Condoms do not do this; however, the Pill does. I consider the child's life to start at conception. To simply call it a blob of cells shows how the world devalues human life. Further, I am of the opinion that I simply hand it over to God and let Him decide on children. I trust Him to give me only what He knows I am able to handle.

As far as the birth killing the mother? God holds all life in His hands and it is up to Him to chose when someone's time is up. You are asking me to kill one person to save another. As far as whether I can answer that now, I don't know. I would have to have a clear understanding with my wife, whoever that may be then, on what we want to do in that situation. Would God forgive it? Of course, but that does not make it right to intrude on His sovereign will.

I do not expect you to understand it, so I will leave it at that.

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Hiding behind "Gods will" is just that , hiding behind it. It can dropped on anyone at any time for anything.

When people are justifying them _selfs_ they use God or Allah(these days) and everything is alright ...

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I don't agree, but I do understand. Abortion is, and always will be, a decisive issue.