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Post subject: Taze me bro!  Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:07 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:55 pm |
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Wow thats amazing. Watched the video and I agree the officer overreacted but the civilian could have been a little more compliant instead of getting defensive right off.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:40 pm |
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I don't like it how the officer justifies it as "you didn't do what I told you" - tazers are for when the officer is in danger and not for putting the taze'd guy in danger as he just falls to the ground.
Almost as dumb as tazing the "don't taze me, bro" guy as he was pinned by about 5 police officers at the time!
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:03 am |
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Not saying its right but I am saying the guy who got pulled could have been a little more cooperative. The cop was not being threatened nor was he in any kind of danger. I didn't see an offensive move on the drivers part at all but merely a, albeit overly, defensive subject.
Reminds me of the best buy or circuit city debacle about the guy who refused to stop and let the employees search the contents of his bag.
Also I can't even image what the chick in that car went through because you know she thought the cop had shot her friend with his gun.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:24 am |
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Rule #1 when encounter a traffic stop by a police--never argue at the scene.
I encountered a situation like that before. I kept my mouth shut but maintained fully cooperative the whole time. The cop told me to step out with no apparent reasons. Trying everything he could and hoped for me to make a wrong move which I didn't. He had no choice but to let go.
Later I challenged the ticket at court. The DA first tried to cut me a deal. No I declined. I knew exactly they had no evidence except the cop's mouth. At last they didn't bother to pursuit the charge.
It did cause me more time and money than just paid the ticket.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:33 pm |
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If only the driver had said "I realize you have a job to do, and I understand that, but with all due respect I would like a better clarification of why I'm being pulled over before I sign any citation."
The disarming approach is always the best. I couldn't begin to count how many times I've avoided citations, or sometimes worse. 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:23 am |
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Why is it that cops get away with this ?
Does their job description have something like:
You can do whatever you want even if you are wrong and not handling according to the law because you got a friggen badge ?
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:16 pm |
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It is not just cops. It is our human or animal nature.
Those people with power will expect a total submissiveness from the others. If they don't get what they expected, they will get angry. They will feel not being respected. And they will punish those do not obey.
Power does give us a false sense of we can do whatever we want.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:23 pm |
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This is my friend Tad's take on the situation. I'm not linking to where he originally published this because he is a little weary of of scrutiny.
Quote: "Tasers! An enforcer breakthrough! If you think you're too small, weak, or scared to be a LEO, you're wrong! Just TASE everyone. No effort, no skill! Ignore use of force guidelines! Tase women, children, even the elderly! Apply now to fulfill your Copophile or Gestapo dreams! Citizen not showing the proper amount of fear and respect? Tase 'em and make 'em a subject instantly! Fear no disciplinary action! The courts are on your side, and so are thousands of weird little crypto-fascists who APPLAUD the use of TASERS on UNARMED, NONVIOLENT citizens*. The time is now! Take action to get that feeling of power over others that you've always wanted! It's easy with TASER! Communication skills, human dignity, and restraint are a thing of the PAST with TASER! Help create a new CASTE system in the USA!"
* Soon to be subjects. For use in all areas at all times. Ignore local laws and guidelines. Use more than directed and more than needed. If suspect is already in cuffs, continue to tase. If suspect falls and sustains a serious head injury while being tased, stand over them and scream at them, even if they are unconscious. _________________  
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:06 pm |
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The stupid dude with rights didn't obey the cop's words, the stupid dude with rights didn't sign the ticket, the stupid dude with rights would be arrested instead.
Ha..Ha... The cops should really talked to and convinced The stupid dude with rights not to obey the cop's words into being arrested.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:47 pm |
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Quote: The stupid dude with rights didn't obey the cop's words, the stupid dude with rights didn't sign the ticket, the stupid dude with rights would be arrested instead.
Ha..Ha... The cops should really talked to and convinced The stupid dude with rights not to obey the cop's words into being arrested.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:27 pm |
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Tomarlowe wrote: Quote: The stupid dude with rights didn't obey the cop's words, the stupid dude with rights didn't sign the ticket, the stupid dude with rights would be arrested instead.
Ha..Ha... The cops should really talked to and convinced The stupid dude with rights not to obey the cop's words into being arrested. What? I concur... What? _________________
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:12 pm |
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The cops gave tickets to people they found breaking the law, the signature on ticket gave the right not to be arrested on the spot.
The stupid dude probably could ape "rights" real well but had never learned properly to recognize the cop's "rights" to give tickets, and the "rights" to give lawful commands and be obeyed while performing their duty.
The stupid dude likely believed he'd the "rights" not to obey the cop's lawful commands.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:34 pm |
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Quote: "If you sign a citation, it's not admitting guilt by any means. It just says you'll promise to appear in court," he said. "If someone refuses to sign the citation, they're refusing to appear in court."
At that point, the arresting officer has the option of taking the driver into custody and to a hearing before the local magistrate, Roden said.
Salt Lake civil rights attorney Brian Barnard agreed police do have the right to arrest a driver who does not sign a speeding ticket.
Refusing to sign a ticket is not a crime under Utah state law. Signing a citation but then failing to show up in court, however, is a class B misdemeanor.
Another option if a driver refuses to sign a ticket is for the officer to "put it in the car in a professional manner and leave it at that," Roden said.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:05 pm |
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Ha.Ha.
"Refusing to sign a ticket is not a crime"... So the stupid dude was arrested for not signing the ticket or breaking the law?
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